Is Interfaith Harmony Feasible with Ingrained Conversion Efforts?

Someone ask me whether interfaith harmony is truly feasible, if some religion continue to hold the thinking that the conversion of others is right n holy.

I think it’s like saying the two persons can be good friends while the person is actively pursuing one’s beau or spouse!

Update – 10 April 2012

After reading some comments and having a discussion with a Dharma friend, here are some thoughts to share.

Consider a few scenarios below:

Scenario Parties Description
1 A & B are married.
C pursues B.
Under C’s pursuit, B falls for C and decides to have a divorce.  They go into a relationship and later got married.
2 A & B are married.
C tries to split them and recommend D
C poisons B into believing that A is a horrible choice.
B over time becomes convinced and divorces A in order to be with D, under C’s recommendation.B & D fall in love, goes into a relationship and later got married.
3 A & B are married.
B no longer feel for A.
B divorces A.
B meet other friends, dates and finally find C.  They fall in love and goes into a relationship and later got married.
4 A & B are married.B no longer feel for A. B divorces A.
C recommends to B, another person D.B & D fall in love, goes into a relationship and later got married.

 

In the above scenarios, person B ultimately filed for divorce and married another person.  The difference is the role that person C & D played.  In scenario #1 and #2, person C actively convince B to have a change of heart whereas in scenario #3 and #4, B voluntarily experience a change of heart and file for divorce, only meeting person C and D subsequently.

It is this difference that I see crucial in interfaith harmony.

The parallel in religion would be where a person decides that one
religion is not suitable and chooses another religion on his own accord (scenario #3 & #4) compared to where a third party would come on to actively persuade you to forsake your religion for theirs (scenario #1 & #2).

As in marriage, likewise in religion, choice is important.  Some culture believe in the sanctity of choice in marriage and religion, and may forbid people to change their choice.  But in this day and age, is that right?  In my opinion, changing one’s choice is not necessarily a wrong thing, but how it changed is important.

As illustrated above, active conversion attempts by third parties are distasteful.

In my discussion with different people, I realised that “conversion” has very broad connotations and can mean quite different things.  Somebody suggested that the Buddha “actively went against Brahmanism” and so was converting people as well.

Another person suggested that while Buddha and his disciples did not actively go out to seek the conversion of the other followers (Brahmins, Niganthas or otherwise), those followers from the other schools did “convert” to follow the Buddha’s teachings.  To the adherents of the other faiths, they may still look upon this as “conversion” nonetheless.

The irony is that the Buddha for the most part, was the target of conversion, where the other religious teachers or groups would send their best disciples to try to defeat him in debates.  In these debates, many became convinced by the Buddha’s sound teaching of the Truth and embraced the Buddha Dharma on their own accord.  Is that still termed conversion?

So again, perhaps it is important to highlight what conversion entail, and which type is inappropriate and not conducive for interfaith harmony.

In my analogy above, voluntary conversion driven by the affected party should not affect interfaith harmony.  If a person decides to change his faith and adopt another religion and its teachings, it is that person’s choice.  Whereas if any one religion actively seek out followers of other faiths to convert them to one’s own, it directly constitute an attempt to reduce, remove and ultimately replace the other religion.

If one religion is actively trying to convert, trying to reduce, remove and replace the other religion, can it still claim to respect the other religions or respect the choice of their followers?

As Buddhists, we welcome people from all walks of life to learn the Buddha’s teachings and benefit from it.  If believing in something makes one more incline to be kind, generous, loving and patience, we applaud that, regardless of the label of the religion or belief.

But if believing in something makes one more incline to greed, hatred and ignorance, more inclined towards violence and hatred towards those who have different religion, more inclined towards seeking the reduction, removal and replacement of other religion for no other reasons except that it is different, then one have to consider it wisely, is such a belief conducive for interfaith harmony?

 

 

Dharma Talk: No-Self in Buddhism and Our Daily Lives @ PMT.1930~2130.Sat 31 Mar 2012

The teaching on “No-self”, anatta, is uniquely found in the Buddha’s teaching.  The Buddha discovered that in the midst of our lives, there is no “I” that exist.  But yet, our conventional language and our own experience says otherwise.  If there is no-self, then who is reading this very line?

The talk and sharing will focus on two aspects:

  1. What is “No-self” and how it is evident in our life.
  2. The impact or implication of this in our life.

In the discussion that ensues, we will also explore together how our usual “self-ful” mode of relating to people around us has shaped our lives so far.

This Dharma talk will require attendees to talk as well.  So come learn and share together. 🙂

Poh Ming Tse : 1930hrs ~ 2130hrs Saturday : 31 March 2012

 

By Driving:

1A.From West, exit PIE into Eng Neo Avenue, then turn LEFT into Dunearn Road.

1B.From East, exit PIE into Adam Road, then turn RIGHT into Bukit Timah Road. After

Duchess Road, keep RIGHT. When near Hwa Chong Junior College, U-turn into Dunearn Road.

2.Along Dunearn Road, keep LEFT. After Watten Estate Road, turn LEFT into

Shelford Rd. Slow down before entering the basement car park on your LEFT.

 

By Bus:

1.From West, alight at the bus stop right after Watten Estate Road and Shelford Road.

2.From East, alight at the bus stop in front of Coronation Plaza and use the overhead bridge to cross the road. Then walk against the traffic flow until you reach Shelford Road.

Bus Number: 66, 67, 74, 151, 156, 157, 170, 171, 174, 540, 852, 961

 

By NorthSouth-Line MRT:

1.Alight at Newton MRT Station.

2.Take ‘Exit A’ to Scotts Road.

3.Take TIBS Bus No. 171 heading towards Bt Timah Road.

4.Alight at the 8th bus stop, in front of Coronation Plaza and use the overhead bridge to cross the road.

5.Then walk against the traffic flow until you reach Shelford Road.

A Sharing on Death

 

Below is a sharing to a fellow Buddhist on having thoughts of death.  Thought this may be useful to others.


 

Hi ___ , thanks for sharing your thoughts. Having such thoughts flash in our mind is not as uncommon as we may think. It is just that most people do not necessarily share
it or think that it is not auspicious. But I think otherwise.

Think about it this way. When we sit in a car, we wear the seat belt. When we board the plane, there is the safety video or demonstration before the plane take off. All these are reminders of death isn’t it?

Being reminded of death can prepare us to take positive steps towards preventing accidents that can be avoided. But knowing the risks itself gets us prepared so that when it does happen, we are not taken off guard.

Insurance policies and financial planning is about planning for the unexpected, one of which is death. While nobody wishes death to come when they are in their youth and enjoying their life, being prepared is good. That way, while we live our life positively and wholesomely, we know that should the inevitable strike, we’ve got ourselves mentally prepared.

When is it unhealthy to have thoughts of death? In my opinion, when our thoughts of death preoccupies our whole life that we live our life only to die or when our preoccupation with death actually hastens and lead to death. This would be an unhealthy preoccupation with death.

Appreciating that death is part of life, we learn not to cling unto life and have the wishful thinking that death do not come or at least not when we do not want it to. Instead, knowing that life is impermanent, we should cherish our life more and live it meaningfully, to its fullest potential so that we may benefit ourselves and others while learning to not be attached to each moment for we cannot hold onto any moment even if we want to.

 

Live our life to the fullest, for each moment is unique and is gone the moment you think about it!

 

With blessings,

The Two Abilities We All Have, and a Third We Can Have.

All human beings, young or old, man or woman, regardless of race, language or religion, nationality or beliefs have two abilities.

When faced with agreeable, pleasant people, situations or things, we can get happy, joyful, at ease, calm and do nice stuffs, say nice words.  That’s easy.  We all can do that.

When faced with disagreeable, unpleasant people, situations or things, we can get unhappy, sad, frustrated, angry, and may do crazy stuffs, say angry words.  That’s also easy.  We all can do that too.

These are the two abilities that all unenlightened beings have.  Conversely, it is true as well.  If you can only react in this two ways, then you are probably unenlightened.  But don’t fret about it, ‘cos you are like the rest of us 99.9999999999999999999999% sentient beings.

But wait.  There is a third ability we can have.

When faced with the agreeable … or disagreeable … we can still have inner peace and happiness. &
This inner peace and happiness is somewhat different from the happiness above.  The happiness above is based on getting what we want.  This is worldly happiness.  Losing what we want brings unhappiness.  This is worldly suffering.  Both are intertwined, like two sides of a coin, not quite the same, not quite apart.

Inner peace and happiness is quite different.  It is not gained from getting what we want, and not taken away when we lose what we want.  It is the inner contentment when craving and desire ceases.  When we see the true quality of worldly happiness, desire and craving for it diminishes and goes away.  We don’t have to force it away.  It just do not arise anymore.  Attachment loosens itself and fades away.  Again, not forcibly taken out, but it has nowhere to attach itself to.

This is the inner peace and happiness that we all can have.

The path to it has been shown to all.

A very special person rediscovered this 2600 years ago.  A person who reached the ultimate of human potential.  He surpassed all Gods and human beings.  He surpassed all realms of existences.  He surpassed all defilements and limitations.  He is known as the Buddha, the Awakened One.  The Teacher of Gods and Man.[1]

 

We already have the first two abilities, and we’ve honed them to mastery level.  About time we develop the third ability?


References

[ 1 ]  Majjhima Nikaya 12 – Maha-sihanada Sutta: The Great Discourse on the Lion’s Roar

Path of Hate … Will Only Lead to Mutual Destruction

Majjhima Nikaya 21 The Middle Length Discourses

Kakacupama Sutta: The Simile of the Saw

“Monks, bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding. Even then you should train yourselves: ‘Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic, with a mind of good
will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading these people with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with them, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.’ That’s how you should train yourselves.

 

May I live mindfully with love and compassion for all sentient beings.

It is easy to love and care for a person who is loving and nice to us, not easy to love and care for a person who is not.

Let me train myself to love and care for all sentient beings, for their welfare and benefit, whether they are loving or nice to us or not.

It is easy to love and care for a person who is agreeable and cooperative, not easy to love and care for a person who is  not.

Let me train myself to love and care for all sentient beings, those who are agreeable and cooperative and those who are not.

It is easy to love and care for those who are MY family, MY love ones, MY friends, not easy to love and care for those who are not.

Let me train myself to love and care for all sentient beings, for when we truly stop identifying with this or that as mine, me or myself, there is no longer the clinging onto of conventional MY or Not MY.  Then indeed can we love and care for all sentient beings equanimously.

The multitude of forms, words, actions, personalities and phenomena are dependent arising, are transient, temporal.  This differentiation between them all is such, dependent arising, transient, temporal.

Let me train myself in mindfulness, proper contemplation and attention, so that I may see the true nature of all phenomena, that they are all transient , temporal facade and realise that even as I try to cling unto it, there is truly nothing that I can hold onto except perhaps our own memories and attachments.  Seeing thus, may craving and clinging cease.

Being dependent arising, they are no inherent, permanent, persisting, substantial nor independently existing.  They are empty of any intrinsic qualities.

Let me train myself in mindfulness, proper contemplation and attention so that I may see the true nature of all phenomena, that they are all such.  Seeing the emptiness of all phenomena, one is free from identification, delight, want or greed.  Being freed from that, there is no fear, jealousy, anger, hatred or ill-will that arise due to it.

One thus severe the root of delusion, and the twin branches of greed and hatred has no means to arise.

With wisdom, seeing how sentient beings are still mired in suffering, Great Love and Compassion arises.

With wisdom, seeing how sentient beings pursue that happiness that grows from gain and suffer from the loss of it, Great  Love and Compassion arises.

May all sentient beings not tread the Path of Hate.

May all sentient beings walk the Path of Wisdom and Compassion.

 

References